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Author Topic: “Vintage Vibe” Low Voltage 6111 Submini Tube Vibrato  (Read 4659 times)
frequencycentral
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« on: February 19, 2009, 02:33:39 AM »

Firstly, lets get the terminology right – this is a vibrato (pitch modulation), not a tremolo (amplitude modulation). Tube vibrato is not an original concept, similar schematics proliferate in vintage tube amps. I was also inspired by mac’s ‘Fet Phaser Idea’ DIY Stompboxes thread, Rick Campbell’s ‘Possible Start On a Tube Phaser/Vibrato Pedal Project’ AX84 thread and R.G.’s The technology of phase shifters and flangers at GEOFEX.

So I thought I’d try something similar using two 6111 submini tubes at 12 volts. This allows for only two stages of phase shift, but the effect is very pleasing and useable. More stages could be added for a deeper effect. The advantage of using just two tubes is that it keeps the milliamp requirements down - it’s quite logical to run the two tubes’ heaters in series from 12 volts, keeping the current draw down to just ~300ma (!!). I dare say that the 6111’s could be replaced with 12AU7 without too much trouble, or indeed with 6021 or 7327 subminis.

The LFO is modified from the one I used in my Vibracaster (which was actually a tremolo – confusing huh?). I’ve added a ‘Range’ switch to give more control over the speed. I made my own little vactrol using a 3mm red LED and two LDRs which I filtched from a kid’s toy (sorry kid).  They are all soldered to a little piece of perf and light insulated.



Here's a soundclip: http://www.aronnelson.com/DIYFiles/up/Vintage_Vibe.mp3

Signal path:

Squier Telecaster Custom (HB)  >  Vintage Vibe  >  Roland Bolt 60 watt tube combo  >  Shure SM58  >  Event Echo Gina 24 soundcard  >  Wavelab

No other processing. It's a montage of a few different settings. There are a few crackles because it's a breadboard not a pedal.

After I've built my Vintage Vibe I'm planning on developing a phaser based on the same concepts.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 09:55:35 AM »

sounds beautiful, are the tubes doing the actual pitch modulation?
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 12:36:59 PM »

Quote from: "littlewing"
sounds beautiful, are the tubes doing the actual pitch modulation?

Thanks! The second and third tube stages are set up as cathodyne phase inverters, so the signal at the 0.0047 caps is 180 degrees out of phase with the signal at the LDRs. Caps delay a signal slightly; when the LDRs are modulated what you get is alternate in-phase / out-of-phase which is mixed into the next stage. As an effect of phase cancellation what you actually get is just the positive parts of both waveform's cycles. And that's vibrato folks! For a better/deeper/more technical explanation go to: http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p ... phase.html
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 10:31:23 PM »

looks nice, canm't wait to proto this one using 12AU7s. out of sheer coincidence - my other brower window is open to your new post on ampgarage.net!

love the crushed glass too btw. keep them coming! :D
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 03:35:23 AM »

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looks nice, canm't wait to proto this one using 12AU7s. out of sheer coincidence - my other brower window is open to your new post on ampgarage.net!

love the crushed glass too btw. keep them coming! :D

Thanks flood!

Did you actually build the Crushed Glass?
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 06:37:39 AM »

Here's my completed pedal, works a treat and identically to the version still on my breadboard.





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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2009, 05:20:23 PM »

your schematic looks like it has four tubes, but your pedal has two.  why?
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 06:26:11 AM »

Those are dual triodes, so each glass envelope contains two discrete stages..  The more common 12AX7 is the same way.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 12:51:38 PM »

so it's like on a old schem where the tube is shown split in half?
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2009, 05:11:28 PM »

Exactly.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »

thanks.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 07:47:13 AM »

did you build this on perfboard, stripboard, PCB...?
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 09:58:07 AM »

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did you build this on perfboard, stripboard, PCB...?

Perf:





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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 12:01:56 PM »

Those submini tubes are cute as the dickens.

Thanks for those shots.
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 12:09:30 PM »

could i use 9 pin 12AX7 tubes with this?  and if so, what do i do with the extra pin?
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