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Author Topic: What might be carbon mic capsules. How to amp them?  (Read 1496 times)
sean k
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« on: January 18, 2010, 01:29:59 PM »


The one on the far left goes straight into an amp, an mpf102 source follower into a TDA2003, well I think it's a source follower, might have the signal off the drain, opps, I'm not altogether sure, but anyways it goes straight into the amp and give acceptable output with minimum noise. It shares the same resistance accross the tabs as the one in the middle which doesn't give acceptable results at all and has a very high noise floor and not very good sound. They are both about 20 ohms.

The one on the far right is about 10-11k across the tabs and is very noisy as well and only just gives a signal into the same amp.

So I'm wondering if some sort of small signal amp, 0ne or two transistors, might help to get some good signal from the two that don't so far. Would an electret type amp circuit, feeding 1.5V to one of the tabs work with a little work on the impedance that they hit.

Any ideas on how to approach this would be appreciated, The frquency response is something I'm not worried about and would prefer a narrow one but the noise floor and good earthing are important.

Incidentally the far right one has had a holder and springs made up and attached to an old speaker frame. Looks kinda twenties, eh?
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 08:26:07 AM »

Incidentally the far right one has had a holder and springs made up and attached to an old speaker frame. Looks kinda twenties, eh?

Do you mean left? Hahaha.

Carbon wants a charge across it, so implementing your "similar to electret" approach would be a good first step:

sound-to-electrical signal transducer consisting of two metal plates separated by granules of carbon. One plate faces outward and acts as a diaphragm. When sound waves strike this plate, the pressure on the granules changes, which in turn changes the electrical resistance between the plates. (Higher pressure lowers the resistance as the granules are pushed closer together.) A direct current is passed from one plate to the other, and the changing resistance results in a changing current, which can be passed through a telephone system, or used in other ways in electronics systems to change the sound into an electrical signal.
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sean k
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 12:52:27 PM »

Indeed, far left, so the one thats good, so far, most probably isn't carbon?
I'll breadboard a pot and battery and cap out as I've seen something simple on the net that refers to carbon. I'm just wondering why two share a 200 ohm resistance, but only one goes, while the other, the right one, is up at 10k.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 01:58:10 PM »

Could be a piezoelectric crystal microphone element, they too have a limited bandwidth, but do not require external DC.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 02:02:49 PM »

Ooops, crystal mics do not go that low in DC resistance......

I take it these mics are old stock and in unknown condition?

The low R mic that works could even be a dynamic. Did you mean 20 or 200 ohms?
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sean k
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 02:32:17 AM »

Did some research and set up a test rig and still couldn't get anything from the 2 capsules on the right... so I took them apart.

The one in the middle is actually a dynamic but not like one I've ever seen before. It had a centre diaphram of mylar or somesuch that had a spiral in metal foil from the outside to the middle, on each side, and then a small rivet in the centre to join the two spirals.
A thin steel ring, one on each side, then became the element to carry the signal while also allowing a sranoff from the magnets which were discs and had holes in them to allow the air pressure changes to pass through the the diaphram.

So the coil added up to 200 ohms resistance and air pressure changes would have it moving between the magnets and creating a current. Lucky I've still got one more though I still might be able to put this one back together.

The one on the far right is carbon as when I opened it up there was carbon granules on the element... and they shouldn't be there.
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sean k
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 10:35:38 PM »

see.

Planar dynamic. More like a ribbon mic with big bad magnets but essentially a dynamic. Thankyou PRR @ DIYstomp...
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sean k
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 03:19:08 PM »


The one on the right has the planar and once is goes through an 8/10k transformer it's actually quite a good mic. The other ones a telephone mic. Both going atop an instrument with a wind machine, a set of strings and sustainer and a plate reverb.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 09:28:35 AM »

Looking good!
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 04:27:00 AM »

Those really look cool! What kind of torch do you need to braze stuff like that?
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